Adderall, pros, cons.



  • Adderall is a drug who’s on-label use is for treating ADHD suffers.  It’s an amphetamine and has been used since the 50’s.  The long term effects of controlled doses are minimal doctors say, so it won’t cause cancer or cause you to kill yourself.  Short term, you get the effects of burn out after the end of the dose.  Given that the extended dose is for 12 hours efficacy, you can go a day with it pretty much then just let your mind wander.

    For people who are already too lazy to google it, Adderall focuses the mind on the task at hand.  It silences that part of your brain that makes you want to check your email every 5 minutes.  You focus on the task at hand and can’t do anything else.  Since it is a stimulant, it will keep you perked up, so don’t take it before you want to sleep.  On this drug, even the most mundane task is doable, and has become a common collegic item.

    Also in high doses it causes impotency, heart distress, and other things but whatever.  All I care about is the low/normal dose extended version.  I am swaying toward taking the drug.  Admittedly, I fall into about 4 of the diagnostic criterias for ADHD.  Considering ADHD is an overperscribed drug, that alone doesn’t tell me anything.  But i’ve noticed i’ve had a hard time focusing, and have always had a hard time focusing on a task unless I liked and enjoyed it.  I see other people able to do things I would make myself sick over trying to avoid / not do and it needs to stop.

    So I retook a look into it when I found out Paul Erdos actually took an earlier version of adderall.  Paul Erdos is known in mathematics as being one of the most prolific and productive members in modern times.  He started taking the amphetamine to “keep up with the younger colleagues”.  Many years passed, and he became addicted to it.  A colleague bet him he couldn’t live a month with the drug.  Paul survived the month, but continued taking the drug after, as his productivity tanked during that time.  He actually died in the 90s from a heart attack, some say its from his increasing high doses of amphetamine

    So in the same way that heroin became a working drug for jazz/bebop muscians, and steroids for strength, i’m wondering if adderall is becoming the drug for intellectual overachievers.  But it’s still legal to do.  With an ADHD or narcolepsy diagnosis, I would be able to get a script to buy the drug, and prevent any problems with a drug test.  Or I can buy the drug illegally, without worrying about having to go to a doctor.  ADHD is a notoriously easy disease to fake, so I would go that route.

    To reiterate, it’s not a question of ability to do what I have to do.  I can, it’s just… too boring to do it.  And as a result, i’ve suffered from it.  Really thinking about going for it.  Tell me what you think, what experiences you’ve had with this.

    Pros:
    Incessant ability to focus on what needs to be done.
    Ability to get work done.

    Cons:
    Cloudyness feeling reported, from effects of the drug clouding the mind.
    Burnout period after effects wear off
    Loss of creativity  (Instead of +++creativity, —productivity, more like +creativity +++productivity)
    Stigma attached to taking a stimulant
    Steps to get drug.
    It becoming a crutch like any other i’ve tried.



  • Adderall is a drug who’s on-label use is for treating ADHD suffers.  It’s an amphetamine and has been used since the 50’s.  The long term effects of controlled doses are minimal doctors say, so it won’t cause cancer or cause you to kill yourself.  Short term, you get the effects of burn out after the end of the dose.  Given that the extended dose is for 12 hours efficacy, you can go a day with it pretty much then just let your mind wander.

    For people who are already too lazy to google it, Adderall focuses the mind on the task at hand.  It silences that part of your brain that makes you want to check your email every 5 minutes.  You focus on the task at hand and can’t do anything else.  Since it is a stimulant, it will keep you perked up, so don’t take it before you want to sleep.  On this drug, even the most mundane task is doable, and has become a common collegic item.

    Also in high doses it causes impotency, heart distress, and other things but whatever.  All I care about is the low/normal dose extended version.  I am swaying toward taking the drug.  Admittedly, I fall into about 4 of the diagnostic criterias for ADHD.  Considering ADHD is an overperscribed drug, that alone doesn’t tell me anything.  But i’ve noticed i’ve had a hard time focusing, and have always had a hard time focusing on a task unless I liked and enjoyed it.  I see other people able to do things I would make myself sick over trying to avoid / not do and it needs to stop.

    So I retook a look into it when I found out Paul Erdos actually took an earlier version of adderall.  Paul Erdos is known in mathematics as being one of the most prolific and productive members in modern times.  He started taking the amphetamine to “keep up with the younger colleagues”.  Many years passed, and he became addicted to it.  A colleague bet him he couldn’t live a month with the drug.  Paul survived the month, but continued taking the drug after, as his productivity tanked during that time.  He actually died in the 90s from a heart attack, some say its from his increasing high doses of amphetamine

    So in the same way that heroin became a working drug for jazz/bebop muscians, and steroids for strength, i’m wondering if adderall is becoming the drug for intellectual overachievers.  But it’s still legal to do.  With an ADHD or narcolepsy diagnosis, I would be able to get a script to buy the drug, and prevent any problems with a drug test.  Or I can buy the drug illegally, without worrying about having to go to a doctor.  ADHD is a notoriously easy disease to fake, so I would go that route.

    To reiterate, it’s not a question of ability to do what I have to do.  I can, it’s just… too boring to do it.  And as a result, i’ve suffered from it.  Really thinking about going for it.  Tell me what you think, what experiences you’ve had with this.

    Pros:
    Incessant ability to focus on what needs to be done.
    Ability to get work done.

    Cons:
    Cloudyness feeling reported, from effects of the drug clouding the mind.
    Burnout period after effects wear off
    Loss of creativity  (Instead of +++creativity, —productivity, more like +creativity +++productivity)
    Stigma attached to taking a stimulant
    Steps to get drug.
    It becoming a crutch like any other i’ve tried.



  • haha
    You forgot that it makes you kick ass at video games.



  • ADHD doesn’t exist. ADD doesn’t exist. It’s called being autistic.

    there’s a lot of those



  • Exactly what heart said.



  • It’s your call, if you can’t decide flip a coin.

    Either that or your life is really boring, try moving



  • @Numb3rs:

    haha
    You forgot that it makes you kick ass at video games.

    didn’t know that.

    @Heart:

    ADHD doesn’t exist. ADD doesn’t exist. It’s called being autistic.

    there’s a lot of those

    Ehhh, one time I dated a girl who had aspergers (now being rolled into the autism spectrum disorder under the new DSM).  She was really interesting, I couldn’t predict what she was going to do, and she would do whatever pleased her.  Whether it be ripping a piece of paper into a thousand pieces and throwing it into the air and dipping back into a resting position, then acting pissed that someone had done it to her.  Definately didn’t have ADHD.  Or ADD.  Just aspergers/autistic disorder.

    I find that most kids with ADHD / ADD diagnosis would have been called just plain daydreaming dumb in other times.  Yes, ADHD is way over diagnosed, but there isn’t a negative to the adderall.  Turns them into productive idiots instead of just idiots.  And I can’t argue with that.  So why not use it…

    Getting my thoughts down on paper helps.



  • If you don’t like a subject, it won’t help much. Also, it messes you up if you have tourette’s syndrome.



  • it’s funny how most teachers want everyone to pay utmost attention to them, but don’t realize that if nobody does, it’s their fault.



  • @Heart:

    ADHD doesn’t exist. ADD doesn’t exist. It’s called being autistic.

    there’s a lot of those

    AIDS doesn’t exists. Cancer doesn’t exist. It’s called being sick.

    there’s a lot of those.



  • ADD/ADHD isn’t an affliction; it’s a label for exhibiting a selection of particular symptoms.



  • @Kitzym:

    Cancer doesn’t exist.

    Cancer is a sickness so shut up ok!!

    @Lorem:

    ADD/ADHD isn’t an affliction; it’s a label for exhibiting a selection of particular symptoms.

    Oh because I thought ADHD was a disorder.



  • @Lorem:

    ADD/ADHD isn’t an affliction; it’s a label for exhibiting a selection of particular symptoms.

    and by exhibiting the said symptoms one can confirm you have whatever disease/disorder associated with the symptoms.



  • @Zetanor:

    Cancer is a sickness so shut up ok!!

    YOURE LYING



  • Can you quantify the disorder?



  • @Mechwarrior5:

    If you don’t like a subject, it won’t help much. Also, it messes you up if you have tourette’s syndrome.

    Ah, do you have experience with it?  I’m ok with what it is I am doing, not like it is the studty of religion in a gothic cathedral that I want to do.

    @Lorem:

    Can you quantify the disorder?

    ADHD is a pyschological disorder and cannot be quantified, along with most other psychological disorders.  The DSM is a diagnostic manual listing the attributes that are presented with the disease, and how many aspects of the group are typically present in each case.  Here’s the criteria in the DSM IV

    Six or more of the following symptoms of inattention have been present for at least 6 months to a point that is disruptive and inappropriate for developmental level:

    Inattention

    Often does not give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities.

    Often has trouble keeping attention on tasks or play activities.

    Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly.

    Often does not follow instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand instructions).

    Often has trouble organizing activities.

    Often avoids, dislikes, or doesn’t want to do things that take a lot of mental effort for a long period of time (such as schoolwork or homework).

    Often loses things needed for tasks and activities (e.g. toys, school assignments, pencils, books, or tools).

    Is often easily distracted.

    Is often forgetful in daily activities.

    Six or more of the following symptoms of hyperactivity-impulsivity have been present for at least 6 months to an extent that is disruptive and inappropriate for developmental level:

    Hyperactivity

    Often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat.

    Often gets up from seat when remaining in seat is expected.

    Often runs about or climbs when and where it is not appropriate (adolescents or adults may feel very restless).

    Often has trouble playing or enjoying leisure activities quietly.

    Is often “on the go” or often acts as if “driven by a motor”.

    Often talks excessively.

    Impulsivity

    Often blurts out answers before questions have been finished.

    Often has trouble waiting one’s turn.

    Often interrupts or intrudes on others (e.g., butts into conversations or games).

    Some symptoms that cause impairment were present before age 7 years.

    Some impairment from the symptoms is present in two or more settings (e.g. at school/work and at home).

    There must be clear evidence of significant impairment in social, school, or work functioning.

    The symptoms do not happen only during the course of a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Schizophrenia, or other Psychotic Disorder. The symptoms are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g. Mood Disorder, Anxiety Disorder, Dissociative Disorder, or a Personality Disorder).

    Based on these criteria, three types of ADHD are identified:

    ADHD, Combined Type: if both criteria 1A and 1B are met for the past 6 months

    ADHD, Predominantly Inattentive Type: if criterion 1A is met but criterion 1B is not met for the past six months

    ADHD, Predominantly Hyperactive-Impulsive Type: if Criterion 1B is met but Criterion 1A is not met for the past six months.



  • Yeah, I’ve taken it before. I ended up having to take another called strattera or something. Had to stop taking that because I wouldn’t be able to sleep. It’s best to go without it, side effects are always counter productive and it’s insanely expensive (3 dollars or so per pill), and you pretty much grow out of it later.



  • Exactly; it’s an agreed upon label for specific symptoms, not a truly quantifiable disorder.

    I say this because I hate it when people say ADD/ADHD isn’t real.

    I used to be on Straterra but switched to Lexapro when my symptoms were determined to be more anxiety/depression-based than attention-based.



  • I heard either ADD or ADHD was being taken out of the next DSM (Lord knows when that’ll be)



  • wow if you think “psychological disorders” exist you should probably not breed, ever.

    if you don’t think they exist you wouldn’t have them.


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